**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu May 16 22:16:35 2002 --> adiamas (~adiamas@as5300-9.216-194-23-128.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) has joined #rockbox --- Topic for #rockbox is Does your box rock? http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/ --- Topic for #rockbox set by Bagder at Mon May 13 04:46:28 --- You are now known as adi|home --> Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox Hellö ppl! --- dw|gone is now known as dwihno morning How are you today? pretty good loadsa mails to deal with "Free XXX" "Get bigger dick with our magic pills" "Debt consolidation" more like "how do I make this work?" kinds the spams are mostly filtered automaticly You work as a consultant? yes but the mails are mostly about my spare time hacks what kind of consultant? embedded, network, unix Oh Sounds like a fun job :) been working for Net Insight the least 2+ years oh it _is_ a great job I've been unemployed for almost a year :( --> Linus (~linus@labb.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox ugha uuh Good morning Linus-dude! :D hey Linus the rocker! morning d00d! you're early Bagder: Yeah, it sucks, but I'm not giving up - I write applications almost every day Yup. Have to go early today dwihno: that's probably the sane thing to do * Linus goes for coffee :-) * dwihno .equals(sane) *yawn* I hate cooking lunch in the morning <-- did some pretty nice chicken salad what do you guys think we should do about the GDB enabled version of librockbox? and the release version? multiple targets in the makefile? or multiple libraries? good q my opinion: multiple targets, the same library OK. next q: should thread.c malloc() the stack, or should we have static stacks for the threads? not a big issue, really. Just thinking. I doubt that we'll realloc() the stack so a static is slightly better ok we need special compiler flags for some files, like thread.o how do we do that without messing with the dependencies? that's the downside of all those wildcard things <-- loves wildcards the thread.o should have its own line in the makefile, with its own additional flags on the compile line Bagder: indeed What does Make do when thread.o has two targets? it yells gah So what do we do thread.o must be removed from the wildcard-generated list Some shell script generating the makefile's perhaps? <-- Tumm has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) I bet there is some keyword that allows us to cut out a specific file from the SRC generated list Bagder: Yeah. I guess we have to do that. It's a pity. SRC = $(filter tread.c, $(SRC)) SRC = $(filter-out tread.c, $(SRC)) rather btw Linus: do you know why the Recorder doesn't allow music to be played while charging the batteries? It doesn't?! :( at least I haven't been able to make it ;-) hm You probably forgot connecting it to the PC ;) Do you develop using linux or windows? there is only one ;-) Linux and Solaris too actually okay USB on solaris? Did you ever try a BSD variant? I don't need usb to develop we have simulators, remember aaah the Simulator(tm) :D yes, I've tried BSD variants so what did you think? about what? BSD? yeah and how much of a difference is there between the simulator and the real hardware? the simulators simulate the "low-level" APIs, so we can write "apps" on them the BSDs are generally fine, in some areas great, in some not so great Please go on :) Bagder: Zagor does it all day (listening while charging) hm I tried just now. What is your problem? You have to push "on" puch and hold while charging? just like when you turn it on normally So what linux distributions are you guys using+ Red Hat I wanted to install Debian, bit it kind of backfired on me ah ok I just didn't press long enough How about you Bagder? He is an old red hat once upon the time redhat /\ source since patched as hell /\ hm that's my hat ;) $ telnet localhost * adi|home slaps you all with the "be quiet im tring to sleep" stick Trying 127.0.0.1... Connected to localhost. Escape character is '^]'. Storebror Linux What Hasn't Crashed Yet Soon Will Kernel 2.4.18 on an i686 login: :-) Telnet rules you tring huh? ;-) telnet SUCKS ssh is god i have issues with plain text telnet is fine on localhost ;-) or "here, sniff my password" bah, humbug i wouldn't trade the ease of use of scp and ssh for anything ssh is good and cute what do we prefer: make DEBUG=1 or make debug make debug the latter ok cause its like comparing to "make CLEAN=1" :) yeah not really. clean is a target, DEBUG is more like an option have we reached any sort of decision on how apps/ is going to be set up? debug affects the compiler flags no, id treat debug as a target too.. adi|home: hehe, not really, but I think we go for all "general" files in the root with target-specific code in subdirs, for now doing LINUX or SOLARIS .. those id accept at =1 k * adi|home needs to get back into the swing of things but I don't know why Björn didn't move all the app code from uisimulator to apps if you want me to just switch everything over i can.. but i don' see a need to yet really there's no immediate need, no, I just thought it'd be cleaner when we wanna start building target stuff using the apps Bagder: how do i change CFLAGS in a target? ehum you don't Hence my question above well, in a sane makefile you have a differently named variable for that then and no default rules? Here we go right or rather you'd use different object files oh no oh yes ;-) Then we are in depoendency hell not necessarily DBGOBJS := $(SRC:%.c=debug/%.o) crt0.o or however you write that kind of stuff or perhaps not using default rules really ain't fine here The seldom are and totally unnecessary since we generate the deps anyway we can just as well generate the action line too I see the Makefile growing sure but it needs to do good a small bad makefile is worse than a big good one * adi|home pets the Makefile.. "good makefile.. you grow.. big.. strong makefile.. strong like bull" <-- calpefrosch|work has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) more coffee I would prefer writing "make DEBUG=1" instead of having a more complex makefile/dependency generation it'll work for now at least make -f Makefile.debug :-) I received a poem by mail this morning: fooled dad added cable failed decode doc called aid official bill baffled supposed to be almost Haiku, and it is... hexadecimal ;-) haha 00000000 f0 01 ed da da dd ed ca b1 e0 00000013 fa 11 ed de c0 de d0 cc a1 1e da 1d 0000002b 0f f1 c1 a1 b1 11 ba ff 1e d0 Writing hexadecimal poetry goes in the top20 of the "what to do on a rainy day" list :) indeed --> calpefrosch|work (~calpefros@62.52.174.30) has joined #rockbox morning morning calpe morning Froggy * calpefrosch|work quacks --> StarFox (~GatesOfHe@adsl-64-175-110-181.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #rockbox * Bagder greets StarFox welcome hello Bagder * StarFox is trying out some new themes hi starfox hello Linus StarFox: you an Archos owner? no This is only for club members. :-) haha hey there's no rockbox available yet anyway ;-) No, but it's close now Will the LCD-off feature be in the first releases? Bagder: can you check the makefile changes for me? the very first release is for the player I haven't written a MAS driver for the Recorder yet Linus: yes, that makefile looks fine does it work? ;-) Ah, okay Good. Zagor will probably have some wierd comments on it :-) Bagder: yes it works :-) oh he will Zagor the code police will strike down ;-) we need to join the rebel forces * dwihno can hear the "boot sound" in his head: "R-r-r-rockbox - Open Source kickass firmware" Yeah. He's a badass moddafacka Code Cop * Bagder is scared of the code police force brb <-- StarFox has quit ("Will return soon") <-- Linus (~linus@labb.contactor.se) has left #rockbox --> Linus (~linus@labb.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox oops --> Zagor_ (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox hey Zagor_ hi --- Zagor_ is now known as Zagor oh no! the police! run! * Bagder ducks :D GOOD MORNING ZAGOR! :D Zagor: Linus has been here all day long, did you have a sovmorgon? :) yeah :-) Zzzagor ;) * Bagder is gonna go and have some nice shots now! Shots? This early? :) as in needles vaccine --- Bagder is now known as Bagder|gone Vaccine for what? I dunno ;-) I'll find out! I'm going to east africa this summer Ah Then I know which vaccine you are getting Insanity neutralizer ;) Nobody sane would ever go to africa All sick mosquitos and rhinos and giraffs... That's scary stuff dude! :) Uganda? --- Linus is now known as Linus|lunch --- Zagor is now known as Zagor|lunch --> Tumm (coyote@dreamhosted.borlange.se) has joined #rockbox --- Zagor|lunch is now known as Zagor --- Linus|lunch is now known as Linus --- Bagder|gone is now known as Bagder still alive, bagder? ;) We are alive (Paul van Dyk) :-) I got away pretty good ;-) not a single shot * dwihno gives everybody some newly baked bullar had them all already ;-) mainly just Malaria poison needed * Bagder thinks ispell-complete-word rocks hard * Bagder detects trouble find / -type trouble gaaah May 17 10:46:22 pm1 named[27762]: exiting (due to assertion failure) hm named must not be stopped! correctomente What version of named? wait, gotta fix this first mkay weirness weirdness oh named starts from inetd mostly --> elinenbe (trilluser@bgp01080511bgs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #rockbox fishy ><))))8> May 17 10:46:22 pm1 named[27762]: message.c:808: REQUIRE(*rdataset == 0) failed * Bagder goes debugging <-- Linus (~linus@labb.contactor.se) has left #rockbox <-- elinenbe has quit ("ChatZilla 0.8.6 [Mozilla rv:1.0.0+/20020513]") gah! * Zagor notes the bjorn.haxx.se http access log has grown to 460 MB since december oh my god! :/ <-- tries to hide his DOS attack with some vanilla sauce * Zagor shops for a good log analyzer Denial of Sås We got analog is it good? then webalizer analog is extremely configurable webalizer produces nice graphs ;D i'll try analog I moved lots of files from the sim dir to the apps dir and made the x11-simulator build again, both versions nice updated the activity too with the new paths Do you have a slogan for the Rockbox project yet? "its better to rock a box than to box a rock" :-P hehe box a rock?! :) No fun we don't need no steeenkin slogan :) :~( So what can I contribute with to the project? ascii art? :) haha Seriousley I want to contribuyte I can make new games :) fire away. asteriods is still unclaimed :) hehe Tell me about the development environment and the test software you are using :) have you read the API file? I have ZERO files Except from JPEG's ;D go browse the cvs http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/cvs.html 180603 hits in /rockbox/ :) plus another 30209 in /jukebox/ juckbox :) On monday I will place my order for a recorder! :D that's the spirit! ;-) Oh I just found out monday is a day off yeps Luckily I found out it now, or I would have been here on monday morning :) http://daniel.haxx.se/hexpoetry/goodies.html yay! it seems people keep busy with useful things ;-) hahaha mongo :) baddade blodad collie fifflade labile olof haha we should separate the player and recorder code, and not have everything in apps/ root icons, bmp, tetris, screensaver etc true --> linuxstb (dave@dsl-212-23-31-215.zen.co.uk) has joined #rockbox hi daev dave Hi - what happenning to the CVS? :-) haha we move sources into apps that are meant for target and simulator to have the uisimulator for simulator stuff only I think that's a good thing. When do you think you will be finished? dunno, we just discussed putting the recorder-specific files in their own subdir in apps OK, I'll hang around here and see what happens. I'm still working at the moment, but was distracted by the CVS action. <-- calpefrosch|work has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) hehe don't expect any more work from my side today, I'm busy elsewhere atm --- dwihno is now known as dw|gone i'll be getting the simulator working with player keypad then I plan to test it on target tonight right on! and polish some of the remaining issues like key polling etc friday candy time lots of adding and deleting today ;-) yeah. cvs history is for wimps! :) we don't want the history, we want the future! ;-) hrmpf. the simulator doesn't work without lcd_update who do I yell at? ;) * Bagder hides where is sim_lcd_puts defined? it's not in any .h .c. or .s file!?! magic its in lcd-x11.c because it is #define d so the names in the file don't have sim_ prefixes where is it defined? x11/chardef.h that construction is a bit ugly but I saw no way around it sim_lcd_puts should just do lcd_update() by itself but those defines are the other way. they define lcd_puts, not sim_lcd_puts i'm confused ah, oh.. bluearch! damn, bagder. that's UUUUGLY! :-) you make it better then the problem is that it needs *both* lcd systems when simulating the player explain it to me, what problem are you solving? hmm the player simulator uses the recorder-simultor code for char output right gotta go. see you guys later <-- Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) has left #rockbox bye <-- Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has left #rockbox --> calpefrosch|away (~hotrana@p5082C742.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #rockbox <-- calpefrosch|away has quit (Client Quit) --> Zagor (~bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox --> elinenbe (trilluser@bgp01080511bgs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #rockbox Under news on the main page there have been no updates for more than 2 weeks. Maybe it is time to place a little updat there ;) any suggestions? I don't know any news, but is it possible to upload some more IRC logs (if they exist)? something like "The project is prgessing nicely and we offering a $10,000 (USD) prize in the DSP programming challenge... stay tuned for more information" hehe :-) that reminds me, i should submit a help request to sourceforge What is on the wishlist for DSP programming? (apart from ogg) wma :) just kidding how powerful is the DSP? I think the only sensible "wish" is uncompressed recording and playback. pure WAV is a frequent request that is something that many people ask for. and with the recorder -- pur wav recording And it shouldn't be too difficult to program - if you know the hardware. is it possible to compile the source and run something on the actual player yet? i'm working on that right now having a bit of setup problems, for some reason Good luck - that's worth an entry in the news if you succeed. well, if you get something working do you think you will upload the compiled firmware? sure how far away do you think you are? this is quite exciting. oh, not far. this is all tested code, it's just some snag Changing the subject, I want to implement the mpeg playing API for the X11 simulator tonight... the problem is my gf is coming over in just over an hour :) are the simulators pretty much stable right now? ... but am not sure where to put the files. well, priorities are priorities linuxstb: why not in the x11 lib? directory, i mean where do you live? Sweden? yes so, it is 8pm there?