**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 6 00:25:45 2002 --> stile (~adiamas@as5300-9.216-194-23-71.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) has joined #rockbox --- Topic for #rockbox is Open Source Jukebox Firmware - http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/ --- Topic for #rockbox set by Zagor at Fri Apr 12 09:45:52 <-- adiamas has quit (Killed (NickServ (Nickname Enforcement))) --> lou_soyur (~adiamas@pool-151-204-140-140.ny325.east.verizon.net) has joined #rockbox --- You are now known as adiamas --> [TDM]Mr_B|away (~nx_2000@ip68-0-62-70.no.no.cox.net) has joined #rockbox --- [TDM]Mr_B|away is now known as [TDM]Mr_B --> Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox --- ChanServ gives channel operator status to Bagder <[TDM]Mr_B> hello? hey ho <[TDM]Mr_B> ...just an outsider with some questions go ahead and ask, I'll try to answer <[TDM]Mr_B> i've been following this project for a short while and i'm very interested... <[TDM]Mr_B> I was wondering what progress you've made. Is there anything working that a programming novice can use? we're doing two different simulators, for running the app itself on host machines one for win32, one for X11 <[TDM]Mr_B> is there an exe of that sim? we do not have the app actually running on target just yet edx is the author of the win32 simulator, we should ask him to post a binary on the web site <[TDM]Mr_B> exactly what improvments/additions are you guys working on? I think many of them are mentioned of the web site we need to implement everything by ourselves so we will try to write an mp3 player software that meets the audience demands <[TDM]Mr_B> when do you think some of these enhancments will be avaliable for the layman to download? we *hope* we will have the first actual target firmware that works *somewhat* before the end of this month <[TDM]Mr_B> cool <[TDM]Mr_B> how well does tretris work? <[TDM]Mr_B> ...tetris it works pretty good ;-) no scores yet though I expect that we will get even more programmers joining up the very second we have a first target version <[TDM]Mr_B> i'm looking forward to all of it :-) me too <[TDM]Mr_B> I see you guys are working on a FAT 32 fs yes, we need that to be able to read the disk <[TDM]Mr_B> I guess that would make installation/use easier? the disk is using fat32, we need to read dirs/files from it... <[TDM]Mr_B> ok, I get it <[TDM]Mr_B> would you mind tellingme exactly what other modifications you guys are working on? we replace the entire software we hope to make the player more intuitive and more capable than the built-in software if you've used it, you know it isn't very good its about resuming play in a playlist handling big playlists and all sorts of stuff <[TDM]Mr_B> well, thanks for entertaining my questions personally, I do most of this because of the shear fun <[TDM]Mr_B> same here, only with coding hypertext * adiamas coughs "Read the faq" feel free to let us know if you think you can help out the project in any way you see fit * adiamas nods hey Bagder whats doing? did lots yesterdat, as the CVS-list shows ;-) heheh yeah.. I _can't_ believe that i forgot to call the function pointers when i put that in :) hehe <[TDM]Mr_B> ...I read the FAQ 3 times heheh k :) can't help; it... its my pet project :) any suggestions on additions or rewording? adiamas: "why do you write a replacement software?" adiamas: "when do you think there is a version available for my Archos?" <[TDM]Mr_B> well, it doesn't answer too many questions <[TDM]Mr_B> tell people about exactly what's being redone and maybe when people will be able to enjoy your labors on their players What exactly are you trying to achieve with this line of development? should that be reworded? adiamas: could you unmber the questions? it would be easier to direct people to a specific question then hm number hmmm how shoul di answer "when do you think there will be a version available?" sure could... adiamas: well, I think that question deserves to be answered very unspecific we might all get very busy all of a sudden so say something like maybe in a month, maybe in three, maybe in six <[TDM]Mr_B> true <[TDM]Mr_B> to quote Dilbert... "ONe month to complete the project and 5 months to play 'Doom' on my computer." lol in this case, of course, it is Tetris ;-) * Bagder just applied patched mailed to him from Dave Chapman patches grrrr, can't type hmmm ... i need a polite way of saying 'Fuck off you complete moron." Suggestions? heh, in which context? never mind.. i have an answer... you're the american ;-) Mr_B: where are you from? --> calpefrosch (~calpefros@62.52.174.30) has joined #Rockbox moin morning calpefrosch the win32 simulator might need some attention now ;-) * Bagder whistles innocently hmm, let's talk about some details. * Bagder browses subdirs in his simulator! calpefrosch: what kind of details? <[TDM]Mr_B> ...New Orleans okay.. faq updated.. anyone wanna take a look? * Bagder shows his thumbs up :) im a bit heavy on the sarcasm.. but bugger it... let them deal with it... we need that <[TDM]Mr_B> ...an improvment...and I love sarcasm it makes it more obvious everything isn't so serious * Bagder runs for more coffee * adiamas cheers wildly [TDM]Mr_B your on windows correct? <[TDM]Mr_B> Windows XP home <[TDM]Mr_B> well, I should reall y be in bed, night folks <-- [TDM]Mr_B has quit () --> Zagor_ (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox --- Zagor_ is now known as Zagor morning Zagor morn you sure had a busy sunday :) yeps, did my share of cleaning up ;-) sorry, have been to a meeting Zagor: the simulator is growing cooler nice! Dave Chapman stepped in and sent me patches too --> Linus (~linus@labb.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox Boo! * Bagder boos Linus back looking at the throughput that this guy dave is doing.. maybe he should be considered for cvs access... yes, I mailed him about it cool Badger: I ment which kind of attention ? calpefrosch: ah, it won't build just now since I've added more firmware files to the build * adiamas screams * adiamas slams his head against the wall.. keeping both simulators up-to-date is a challange okay.. i screwed up.. so i may as well clue everyone in... * adiamas was working on tic-tac-toe for the archos... * adiamas was 1/2 way there... adiamas is a hero Badger: ok, I'll try to build it this morning. * adiamas f***ed up... see... before i went to see the girlfriend this weekend i 'cleaned' up[ my sim dir... * adiamas doesn't really remember deleteing the files.. but they are gone so it's gonna be a few days to finish :( :-/ We have a saying: "do it properly, or do it many times" :-) oh.. i did it properly... if deletion was our aim... and now you will do it again lol yup oh.. btw.. was it cool that i went to function pointers on the sim? just seemed to make more sense yeah, its good I just got the MAS DMA working... *cool* * Zagor feels Linus breathing down his neck again... badger: what is that header "unistd.h" ? btw, sorry for *always* changing the letters b and g ... hehe We have a serious problem with the project... whats that? calpefrosch: I don't think that should be included Apparently, Zagor pretends that he has a life, seriously slowing down the development!!! :-) calpefrosch: as that is a unix-only include file LOL hehe hahaha * adiamas pokes Zagor oh.. i had an idea while driving my 2.5 hrs back home.. I knew you'd see right through me :) i was doing random through one of my playlists... random thoughts are good :-P adiamas: you have a 2.5h commute?!? and realized it would be _really_ cool if i could hit a button and have the current song added to a 'favorites' list Bagder: It's in the ID3.c. Could you remove it, or do you need it there? adiamas: great idea Zagor: nah.. only to see my girlfriend. ah i figured.. this 'favorite' list could just be a dynamic playlist... adiamas has a life too? calpefrosch: *gone* because with 1000+ plus songs it _sucks_ to have to manually pick out my favs... Just delete the other ones. :-) Bagder: tnx Linus: a girlfriend 2 hrs away, a job, ride for my ambulance core ... _And_ i still find time to hang out here and be unproductive and sarcastic... :) * adiamas smiles at linus * Linus smiles * adiamas thinks your just jealous cause i wrote a cheap little screensaver... :) * Linus tries to have a life too...wife and kids! Linus: that's a life? ;) congrats... :-) how long you been married mate? Almost 2 years 2+ here hehe im just starting to get to that point... friggin distance is killing me --- Tumm is now known as coyote- umm... any chance of having the DISPLAY value in the sim makefile be a bit more useful? someone who doesn't know the project won't know which is which.... CHARCELLS vs BITMAP well I didn't wanna use the actual target-defines how do you mean? we use ARCHOS_PLAYER and ARCHOS_RECORDER for target builds ahh.. i got ya... but they imply more than just different LCDs maybe we can just add two big comments in the Makefile for now, explaining which is which well.. its only the recorder that has BITMAP right? yes well.. instead of HAVE_LCD_CHARCELLS .. what about HAVE_RECORDER_LCD thinking about it... nods ARCHOS_PLAYER and ARCHOS_RECORDER would probably be best then we'll be forced to include "config.h" properly hmm.. well.. id rather stay the way we are then for now... anyway, those defines are documented in firmware/CONFIG * adiamas nods Bagder: do we use harness.c or app.c for the sim ? calpefrosch: remove the harness.c completely from the sim it isn't meant to be there app.c is the app main entry ok * calpefrosch have to go to a meeting. brb --- calpefrosch is now known as calpefrosch|meet could someone explain this to me? $(CC) $(CFLAGS) -c $< -o $@ i know cc and cflags -c im good -o im good but on a makefile i forget what $< and $@ are... $< is the file on the right side of the : in the rule-line above okay... and $@ is the file on the left side of the : above ahh.. okay.. thanks Actually, $< is the file that triggered the rebuild, isn't it? no, that could be a .h file So what is $< when there are two files on the right side? the first one I think the first, I think :) OK. And $* is all of them, right? ummm 'info make' ;) im just trying to find a way to clean up the sim makefile i have to believe there is an easier way to build the app obj files w/o having to do : filename.o: $(DIRPATH)/filename.c $(CC) $(CFLAGS) -c $< -o $@ 10 times this klez virus sure is annoying heheh whats the prob? it mails got ya I've received >50 mails with klez yeah it fakes From: line, and it fakes Subject: and it attaches the virus --- calpefrosch|meet is now known as calpefrosch as far as menus go... for sim and target.. should we assume that all menu items will be the same size... and if the user wants to increase the font, they do so for all menus? for now, sure adiamas: oh yes, certainly k hm, the cvs page doesn't mention the cvs-commit mailing list right is that one mentioned on any page? in emacs.. how do i open a fresh buffer? i don't think so, only in mail like the scratch buffer.. adiamas: C-x b adiams: control-x b thanks not switch.. i know that one... to create a clean unused buffer... enter a name of a non-existing buffer ahhh k *plopp* Intuitive, right? :-) hehehe sure im looking at app.c wouldn't it make more sense to have #include "tree.h" and #include screensaver inside the #ifdef HAVE_LCD_BITMAP? it depends, the tree.c functionality should probably work on the Player too the screensaver though, could very well be inside that #ifdef k... ill fix that then Zagor: how do I figure out the attributes of a dirent struct? Can I see if its a file or dir there? yes, I just have to add the ATTR* macros from fat.h into dir.h ok, then I'll need to make sure the simulator supports them yup not perfectly POSIX, but I think it's a fair trade-off I agree umm.. what do we call a menu item? is the generic term 'item' okay? more specifically 'menu_item' menu_item sounds nice :) k... hehhe okay.. its offical.. we have the first stages of a menu api goodie once i commit, im going to ask you to look at the menu.h file and see if the functions make sense w/o comments. ok the struct name shouldn't use uppercase at all? what's the difference btwn put_cursor(0) and put_cursor_menu_top? no, only lowercase scrolling menus... idea is that put_cursor puts you at the top of the menu all togeather.. put_cursor_menu_top wold be viable menu right now there is no difference ok basically.. put_cursor() puts you _anywhere_ ill clear it all up in comments as i go... ok that and ill try for better names... i just get sick when i think of "put_cursor_to_top_of_visable_menu()" :) uh, me too... I prefer fewer functions with parameter rather than many (void) functions within reason, of course so do i... downside right now is there isnt much our menuing is doing... always easier to coalese basic functions togeather... least for me yeah, I'll give you some slack for the moment :) oh sure.. make it easy... what im trying to figure out is how to handle sub menus... what i was thinking is that maybe we keep the menu_struct we have.. but as we add submenus we just create an array of the structs... adiamas: first, can you think of any submenu we should have? and jsut reference them.. but im not sure.. sure... :games right and when we get more ppl playing with the ui, itll get more robust... options menu i ment to ask.. seeing as you'all are working in firmware... i know the idea of a 'boot' loader is not a good idea... but what about the ability for the user to have a menu to choose which version of firmware to boot with next? of course we want that rather then having to copy files too and from the archos to play with firmware exactly you could have X different firmwares nods I can't recall that anybody said a boot loader was a bad idea... * adiamas assumed.... so shoot me :) Actually, we have talked a lot about that, the project name is called RoLo for Rockbox Loader sweet... ...as candy you guys have done a fantastic job getting off metal quick.. have i mentioned that? * Zagor notes it's even in the Activity chart on the web page Thx umm.. in API we list mp3info as returning FALSE if successful huh? that can't be right. correct that's wrong ;-) k.. ive got it euhhh no it is correct okay.. so it _should_ be FALSE? ummm.. that seems really counterintuitive guys? it works that way now not really because it leaves the opportunity to return different return codes for different failures but TRUE should _never_ be a failure... unless the function is invalid_mp3info() I made the win32-sim working. how can I diff so you can work with ? If you plan to use other return codes that TRUE or FALSE you should use another return type. * adiamas nods yes, but I wouldn't have to change the checks I don't follow non-zero would mean error i still don't get why FALSE means you _were_ able to fine mp3info FALSE is boolean, this is int it's 0, not FALSE Bagder: of course. That is why you should use int nag nag calpefrosch: I correct correct 'd prefer a diff -u ... And the comment above the function says it returns "void" :-) hehe That is a rather redundant comment. it *did* Bagder: ok, but I'm a windows-user. I only have checkboxes in wincvs ;-) well.. im submitting grammer corrections now.. argue once it's in Anyone can see what the function returns which should I check ? calpefrosch: ok, a unified diff, you should be able to make one of those I guess okay.. commited is there a way to prevent dependancy checking when you are doing a make clean? calpefrosch: I'll add you for cvs commit access. what's your sourceforge ID? I have no ID yet ok I will create it now, ok? run run! ;-) am i correct that to adjust the lcd size i edit lcd-x11? or lcd-win32 respectively? what size? of the window? well. when i compile the sim for recorder.. size is fine.. when i compile fore player... it doen'st make sense to keep the ui the same size.. true dunno how to fix it.. wantted to see how to do it the size for the x11 sim window is in the screenhack.c file is that default_defaults? yep is the player the same width? just only 2 lines hight? no it's 2 X 11 letters but there should be room for some icons too, I think --> linuxstb (dave@dsl-212-23-31-215.zen.co.uk) has joined #rockbox I'm not really good on the player lcd hey Dave Hello everyone. k.. then ill leave it for tomorrow.. i need sleep bad... night all Hi! welcome dave night adiamas * adiamas waves --- You are now known as adi|sleep Zagor: my ID is 536571 I need the username calpefrosch what else ;-) :) :-) now you're added. and Dave, you've been added too. Thanks. I plan to work on the directory browsing a little more today - mainly to implement scrolling. goodie nice it _is_ a bit limited right now, indeed ;-) tnx Has anyone thought about an API for actually playing audio files? linuxstb: we'll change the is_dir() stuff to instead use the dirent struct as soon as we know how Zagor will feature the atrributes Agreed about is_dir() - that was just a quick hack by me. oh sure, it works fine for now linuxstb: not yet. it'll be something simple, since the playing is handled by DMA and a "feed" thread I have a little experience of using libmad, so would like to implement mp3 playing in the simulator. hehe sure Zagor: can you help me with the setup of cvs? Linus: you should add the timer interrupt code to the main firmware dir. we need to use sleep() calpefrosch: not for wincvs, I'm afraid. follow the wincvs link on the cvs info page. ok It's in kernel.c Linus: yes, but it's not started kernel_init() ok, good You will have to lower the interrupt mask with set_irq_level(0) after kernel_init() And I use system.c for the interrupt vectors so the current system.c is good? Works for me ok Actually, it's quite handy with the weak symbols when developing blaeh :) Linus linuxstb That way I don't need my own system.c in every test directory --- Zagor is now known as Zagor|lunch --- Linus is now known as Linus|pizza wow pizza * Bagder starts to get hungry too Re MP3 api: I think we need a "play queue" in memory of the filenames of the next 3 or 4 tracks to play. The MP3 thread "just" plays files from this queue, and the UI thread modifies it. or perhaps the mp3-playing thread have direct-access to the playlist/queue we work on What is the difference? I'm just thinking what happens when you select "back" if the mp3-thread can peek in the list, it just picks the previos tune and plays it if we'd feed the thread with a special queue to play, we'd need to take care of special situations