**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Apr 26 05:32:08 2002 --> adiamas (~adiamas@as5300-9.216-194-23-95.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) has joined #rockbox --- Topic for #rockbox is Open Source Jukebox Firmware - http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/ --- Topic for #rockbox set by Zagor at Fri Apr 12 09:45:52 * adiamas heads off to bed now that logging works good night --- You are now known as adi|asleep * Bagder heads off for the lunch meeting --- Linus is now known as Linus|lunch is there any way to turn logging off on certain channels? in xchat grrr.. what did you guys break? tr: too many arguments Try `tr --help' for more information. cvs server: Pre-commit check failed cvs [server aborted]: correct above errors first! cvs commit: saving log message in /tmp/cvsoX6Lpv <-- wavey has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) --> calpefrosch (~calpefros@62.52.174.30) has joined #rockbox --> wavey (~wavey@dlan1431.dircon.co.uk) has joined #rockbox too busy at work :( wanna code more for the rockster box :) me too i have code to manage settings and an outline of the playlist func but I just started to get used to C no better way to learn, cal :) hope so what do you do at work ß ? <-- calpefr|ipaq has quit ("Smartsoft PocketCHAT for PocketPCs - Http://www.sspocketchat.com") i'm a java enterprise consultant he, cool. I want to make the Java Certified Prorammer this year. cool. java's a lovely language bit c is sexy :) s/bit/but hmm, let's try to put JINI on the Jukebox ;-) I never did C before, so it's difficult for me to understand the code or JME and now to something completely different... is the code in the cvs ? my code? not yet can you send it to me ? it'll go in today, hopefully. not much point seeing it now unless you're desperate? ok what do you do at work? java too? yes. I make PL/SQL with Oracle8i and some Java-Tools for our product that is written in java cool. what company? look at www.empolis.com oh, you make rubics cubes? :) * wavey chuckles no :-( you're german then? i'm listening to a german band on my archos as we speak :) rammstein i don't understand any of the words, but it's fantastic music anyhow :) yes, and the words are not important, you can believe me you're a fan? which archos do you have ? recorder not a fan, but I can listen to some songs. I have to recorder, too. And the firmware is running on it ? ( a bit ) i haven't put the code on the recorder yet i don't trust it :) yeah, because of the hd-lock yus :) --- Linus|lunch is now known as Linus Linus: did you try the firmware on a recorder ? I haven't dared to... :-) Büch dich! (about the only Rammstein song I know) I think it's "Bück dich" I suppose. Ich kann nicht deutsch sprechen. oh, that was very good. I just read the lyrics, and it makes not much sense the song adi|asleep: you still awake? is he working at night, or living on the other side of the sea s/sea/world he's american ah --> alkorr (jbcoax@srs07v-8-205.n.club-internet.fr) has joined #rockbox * Bagder yawns is the recorder display really 64 height, not 80 lines ? what makes you think it is 80? the simulator-windows is not full filled window the controller can only work with 65 pixels height hmmm, then the scale is not correct that's possible I'm working on that problem, tnx --- ChanServ gives channel operator status to Zagor --- Zagor gives channel operator status to Bagder --- Zagor gives channel operator status to Linus * Zagor is bored :) is the simulator's job to simulate the ui alone, or can it pretend to be the entire device, enabling us to compile our code against it and test it without putting the mod on the device itself? my desire is to get display, keys and filesystem simulation to work, primarily that's what we need to develop the UI but those 3 parts are the entire device, save the music output.. which is good :) yup :) what I mean is that the simulator only has to simulate the highest-level APIs yes agreed what are you working on right now? doom.mod? ;) fat hehe, no i'm saving that for the weekend hehe is the fat hard to test? not so hard, actually you testing it on linux or the device? i'm writing a simulated ATA layer on linux aha. ok can the makefile 'clean' target deal with subdirectories in the sameway that the SRC define is done? yes, but it doesn't right now never seen: SRC := $(wildcard drivers/*.c before its a gnu extension gmake ok s'cool :) very useful indeed :) there are others there are indeed lots of others indeed there are indeed lots of others indeed just do under cygwin : "info -f /usr/info/make" and you will find a lot of things * wavey installs info ;) if you are not familiar with "info" : just place your cursor on a "*" to jump at the matching page i'm an emacs user :) to go back, press "u" (up) but thanks :) okay :) see you (must eat now) * wavey tries to work out which package info is in within cygwin * wavey remembers emacs * wavey slaps his forehead M-x info :-) --- Linus is now known as Linus|meeting does anybody know the simulator-code ? for win32 ? nope :-( , so I wait for edx he has duplicated the lcd code. i'll smack him for that :) hehe I extract all words from all my mp3 song titles now ah, how many? 3009 files guess the most common words! ;-) "The" "Mix" umm, in your collection? "hate" ;) nah bwahaha Of of You I mix Love In A To You Remix to Me in remix My I should lowercase them yes <-- alkorr has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) the: 259 times funny enough, on 259 hours of music one "the" per hour ;-) "distention" 4 times hehe how many different words? how many >once 3106 good q so it's one unique word per song? seems a bit high Number of words unsed more than once: 1027 is that with lc ? lowercase yes I'll have a look in the list... ah, your filenames include artist+album, right? this is only id3 tags so only song name? supposedly interesting "technophobybitstreamdreammix": 1 time :-) I thought the "unique words/song" would be much lower it seems correct, juding from the look of the list now, running this list with wavey's script, I wonder how large percentage we'll cover Total Length: 932753 seconds: 259:05:53 Different artists: 302 Number of files: 3009 Number of files without id3 title: 183 cool I must go now ok bye <-- calpefrosch (~calpefros@62.52.174.30) has left #rockbox i'll check my perl script into the tools section :) * Bagder considers running a spell check on his id3 titles ;-) --> edx|school (edx@pD4B9E95C.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #rockbox --- edx|school is now known as edx hi edx hi --- edx is now known as edx_ --- edx_ is now known as edx --- ChanServ gives channel operator status to edx edx: you shouldn't copy the lcd code into your win32 lcd.c why? shall i link both files with it? yes, like the X11 simulator does compile the drivers/lcd with the SIMULATOR flag set ok then in win32/lcd.c just include the code that is win32 specific got it. you should probably rename it lcd-win32.c to avoid collision ill do that later - *away* ok --- edx is now known as edx|away --> elinenbe (trilluser@bgp01029830bgs.sanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #rockbox Hello. hi How is the status coming? coming along nicely. did you see the new status matrix on the web page? yeah -- that is nice. i'm working on the fat code right now --> alkorr (alkorr@srs07v-2-177.n.club-internet.fr) has joined #rockbox Fat32? I thought the fat16 code was finished? I have a question about the File System code... How does this work? The files system is implememnted in the firmware? But what does the USB chip detect? ? What I mean is could you have an open interface to implement more file systems on the drive? for the moment no what are you speaking about ? For isntace could a Mac user format it HFS+ and then the player could use it like that? about the filesystem or the chipset USB ? nope if you are speaking about arch*s firmware, nope --> jb1081 (~jb1081@lime.ircam.fr) has joined #rockbox the chipset USB only services generic scsi transfers between the computer and the harddisk i think he's asking about the possibility of using other filesystems with the device with the opensource firmware in the future or ata transfers if you like elinenbe: i think the only thing is you'd have to have a small fat32 partition at the beginning for the ROM firmware to load the new firmware from the drive just a sec if you plan to read mp3 files with your jukebox on a non-fat32 partition, it is impossible alkorr: impossible? alkorr: with why couldn't the firmware support other filesystems? but if you want to create a HFS+ on the harddisk knowing that your jukebox could not read it, yes you can but at your own risk --- Linus|meeting is now known as Linus if you are speaking about rockbox which is in fact a software, not a firmware there still a possibility to handle any kind of filesystem 's but it is not our priority I see. heh You can format it right now HFS+ and it will work fine as a portable hard drive for the Mac, but it will not work as a player. exactly unless some courageous people code a HFS+ filesystem for rockbox (when of course it would have features enough to compete against the firmware) for the moment it is too earlier :) can the USB-ATA access really handle other fses? Mine is formatted as a QNX 4.x partition heh the purpose of that chipset is not to handle filesystem bagd: its in the manual and everything that you can format it different things.. just without mp3 player functionality Bagder: i've run ext2 on my archos ok, I get it that is not controlled in the archos end but to give to the computer the access on the harddisk that's all but still, the firmware reads the software from a fat32 filesystem yeah so that would at least be required ah.... I see but that way there is nothing to have with the chipset USB right and yes we still need a first FAT32 partition <-- elinenbe has quit ("Leaving") just to download our software yep unless you have a flash instead a rom and you can change the firmware in the flash of still very dangerous ;) I'm curious. What are we talking about? someone was asking if other filesystems can be read we could replace the SH7034 with a PROM version and have our software PROMed! ;-) * Bagder ducks no i'm speaking about a software way to overwrite the flash without hardware mods isn't it a masked ROM version? i'm speaking about the external rom not the internal rom * Bagder is a bit out of his leage here Bagder: the firmware is located in an external (flash) ROM. so what's in the internal rom? I guess the code that sets up the oscillator stuff and some chip selects and stuff, to be able to execute from the flash. the internal rom would read the external rom and unscramble it if you used my digrom, the second file it produces comes from external rom and it is unreadable because it is indeed scrambled okay i explain my digrom creates two files the first is smaller and contains the internal rom the second is larger and contains the external rom the first is readable and has a vector table at the begining of the file <-- Bagder has quit ("http://daniel.haxx.se") c u <-- alkorr has quit () <-- Linus (~linus@labb.contactor.se) has left #rockbox --> Linus (~linus@labb.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox <-- jb1081 has quit ("[x]chat") how close is the simulator to faking the device's filesystem? has that work started at all? I'm pretty sure that the simulator only simulates the GUI. today, maybe :) we want to simulate the fs, the buttons and the lcd so that our runtime code can be tested on a pc yep feel free to write it :) i'll do so, once the playlist is complete cos i'll need it to test the playlist :) actually, it's not much to write at least not on unix that's the hope or windows since we want to use POSIX api windows might need some stub code yus i have no idea why i'm specialising this dev in windows.. i -hate- windows Actually, I think Windows has open(), close() and seek too. love, hate. there's a difference? it certainly does with cygwin installed :) Linus: opendir and readdir too? Getting philosophical here, eh? heh I guess so. Lemme check. i've never used opendir. why not just use FILE *? that's a silly q but i mean what operations does opendir give you opendir is for reading the directory entries, not a file it doesn't seem like Win32 has opendir() :-( i thought not and that's not available from a file handle? hmm a file handle lets you access a single file it's been years since i did any fs operations in C opendir returns a dir handle ok tnx then you do readdir(handle), which returns which files are available in the dir i find it odd that i've never had to do that in C java a million times.. weird I haven't done that many times i C either. see you later guys ok, bye bye --> alkorr (alkorr@srs06m-8-44.n.club-internet.fr) has joined #rockbox <-- alkorr has quit (Client Quit) --> Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox boo hey ho is everything done now? ;-) Hacking FAT32 in 300mph nicers anything I can do to help on that? No. You are lame. :-) heheh Go awayt. you finally found out darned * Bagder hides in a corner *slap* if ( bpb->bpb_fatsz16 ) { printf("This is not FAT32. Go away!\n"); return -1; } this is all so far :*) :-) ;-) Gotta go away! :-) CU!!! quit <-- Linus (~linus@labb.contactor.se) has left #rockbox <-- wavey has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) <-- Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) has left #rockbox --> calpefrosch (calpefrosc@p5082C7D7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #rockbox hi again rehi edx is away for long? Did he said something ? I don't know, I just recently got here myself and he hasn't said anything the last ~30 mins tnx --> Zagor (~bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox welcome home ;-) hehe, thanks * Zagor just realized ata-sim.c can actually work on real devices ln -s /dev/hda1 disk.img *voila* and does it work? I think I want to comment out ata_write_sectors() first, though :) haven't tried yet. it should me needs food... you could dd the device to a file and then try I've already done that from a floppy ok worked fine (although the fat code isn't done yet) * Bagder looks around for food too so what worked? the dd? we could list a dir neat or part of, rather fat32's root dir isn't consecutive so we only got the first sector yet its a beginning <-- mid has quit (Remote closed the connection) it's a relief only having to support fat32 and not -16 or (horror) -12 fat12 is a mess the page at linux-usb.org is updated now, btw neato <-- calpefrosch has quit () * Zagor got a note from the post office today I think it's the donated Archos --> ironi (xircon@m213-101-132-36.swipnet.se) has joined #rockbox hello hi ironi hi Bagder nice with the double-space font that's a fun trick indeed yeah i wonder what it could be used for the "Rockbox" startup text! ;-) thats the only thing i could come to think of i would love to contribute to this project. too bad i dont know anything to be able to help many people have requested bigger fonts for use in the car Zagor, true, true Zagor/Bagder: off topic question: have you ever experienced that your bostream modem only has one lamp on? =) not yet :) i've only had it about two weeks nope oh ok i got mine in january I've had mine since... september last year used it for 4 months, and then i moved out but have been paying all the time until now and finally i got my own place again, and they connected it, but it wont work I have a friend who's bostream modem just stopped working one day didn't sync anymore took him weeks to convince the service guys to get there, check it and then it took some more weeks to replace it oh. really? might be same with mine, who knows they's *not* service minded "When you release the spec, six crazy Russians you never heard of will write an insanely fast encoder that implements it." they're (discussion about Vorbis not having proper specs) Ogg talk? yeha saw that one too i just enjoyed the "six crazy russians" hehe kinda funny hehe hehe, do you guys know what TWAIN stands for?